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how you doing everybody how you doing

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Jay I'm doing great today my man how are

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you that's awesome it is double header

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Sunday today we are releasing episode 99

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which is this one followed by 100 which

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is miss you Jacques Valley In the Flesh

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so we made it to 100 my man we made it

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to 100 and uh yeah and you know today's

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uh guest is uh a very strong female in

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the world of PR and in fact represents

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Jacque Valley and a lot of these other

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big name people that you see on our show

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and other people's shows they have

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agents and they have people who filter

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the nonsense out and they also Shield

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wouldn't do them justice so we're very

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proud to have her on the show today to

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discuss what it's like actually making a

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living out of this type of thing uh you

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know the the good people and the crazies

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kind of what's making news right now so

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uh very excited we'll be back right

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after our intro or episode 99 with Miss

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Chrissy Newton

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my illustrious

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co-host and my good buddy Jason Gilman

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how are you I'm good how are you sir I'm

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good I'm excited this is episode 99 100

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is coming out later today we're doing a

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flavor of our show and you know we like

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to keep it light and fun and talk about

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what everyone else wants to know and

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what everybody else is talking about so

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very excited about our guest today she's

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an entrepreneur producer and director of

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media and PR at the debrief she's a host

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and producer of all pop repeat podcast

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uh the co-host of somewhere in the skies

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podcast her own podcast is rebelliously

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curious and she is the founder of vocab

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Communications we could go on all day

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the time to do that we were just

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chatting about that earlier but she can

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and what's going on in the world of news

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and media so a big welcome to the show

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Miss Chrissy Newton thank you good to

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see you guys yeah thanks for being here

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so uh for the one or two people in our

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big audience that doesn't know who you

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are maybe uh tell us a little bit about

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um what got you into this whole field

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and uh now you've made a career and a

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business out of it and how has that all

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yeah well how I got into the subject to

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UFOs how I got interested in it um was

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when I was a little girl because of my

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and I've told Jason this before and

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generally knows that it was my dad who

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was like conduit in he had a UFO

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experience when he was in I believe he

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group of people uh he had a UAP sighting

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that photo and it like lit up everything

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inside me and from that day forward you

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interest in UFOs and we talk about it

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all the time compared to my other side

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of the family not liking it all the time

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counterculture and my ideas of what's

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director of media and PR with them and I

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do you want to tell everybody and he

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times in 40 Years of doing this or

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however long his career so yeah don't

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phenomenon allows you to grow or forces

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narrow-minded you know Bigfoot didn't

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of that uh to be true in your studies in

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this phenomenon yeah that's a great

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cultural feedback loops so I was really

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mechanical the family side so I've

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those really interesting and I try to

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learn more within that side and then you

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like I'm a communicator I'm not a

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physics person and so when you're

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reading you know all people that are

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learn and try to understand all those

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areas that make up the study but myself

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that I contribute is an area that I know

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theory of again suspend judgment it may

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everything and then some you know it's

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an all-encompassing term to really try

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abstract until you're pointing about

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physics there are physics and there are

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terrestrial who the hell knows for now

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it is you know all of what you mentioned

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you know something that has lived here

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Among Us that we just haven't paid

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think that this is why the government

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the government well the powers that be

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that are in control of this don't just

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we're dealing with with you know one

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extraterrestrial race I think we could

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all agree that we could maybe agree to

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that as a society go okay we can deal

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goings on this uh you know planet and

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the threat and I don't know there's a

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state so obviously they have some

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momentum going on over there uh and it's

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starting to push the momentum on the

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Canadian side as well I know that Larry

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McGuire has been uh really advocating

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for more disclosure on the Canadian

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aspect of things that uh Trudeau and

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forgot the name of the defense minister

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but they've been briefed or debriefed on

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the UAP subject about two years ago so

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all this is coming to light and starting

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to understand that there's a North

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American sort of

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I wouldn't say Coalition but group

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coming together

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um what are your thoughts on the the

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momentum that's taken place right now in

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Canada and the United States

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it's great

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Canadians actually have a lot of data on

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UFOs we have tons Chris rockowski has so

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much of it and I didn't interview too

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with Chris Krukowski and asked you know

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who's who has more data and who has

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better probably data right now and it's

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actually probably Canadians and I find

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that really interesting because it was

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more free to be able to be passed around

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Transport Canada you know they were able

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to Chris had a whole bunch of it he was

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the only person so we know that multiple

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different

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uh like shag Harbor and multiple

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different incidences that have happened

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in Canada we've had you know American

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and Canadian Forces for the RCMP to um

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different people I would imagine within

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the CIA or who've come out and looked at

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those crashes like shy Harbor for

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example so we've shared data we've had

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our own kind of Canadian Project Blue

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Book too where we're looking into it so

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we have a big hand I think in this topic

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and we need to be more inclined to talk

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about it in the data that we have now

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and be able to analyze it and we get

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people like Daniel Otis you know shout

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out to Dan amazing journalist advice you

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know really following this Canadian beat

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and I respect him for it because he's

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really one of the only ones that's doing

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it really really well and has a larger

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voice in it so I think we're going down

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that road I personally like to talk to

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Larry McGuire myself too and and see

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where it started but when I asked Chris

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rockowski Chris told me that it was an

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interest that he had and it wasn't a

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political agenda and that's what my

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concern was because before Larry wire

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came out I had a little bird tell me

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that Canadians were looking into it so I

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started looking into it about two years

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ago of who was looking into in a

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political stance and it was first the

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conservatives I can say that

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um wasn't so much of on the liberal side

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and when I ended up looking yeah more

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into it I was seeing that it was people

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that were Former Defense and now still

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work politically within the Canadian

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government but they were asked him to be

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briefed so I was following That Bouncy

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Ball for a little bit on on my side just

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to interested as a Canadian and a video

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journalist but I know that Daniel Lotus

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has been obviously taking that beat and

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just been running with it and doing a

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fabulous job and you know he keeps me up

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to date too he'll send me tweets and you

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know we talk about it because it's it is

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important you know we are North America

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and we are you know we are two to

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different countries and for sure we have

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similarities and differences but not to

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you know change the topic too much but

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we're getting into a place with massive

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uh climate change happening within North

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America and we will probably have a

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whole bunch of American climate refugees

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that end up moving to Canada probably

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within the next 20 years I would imagine

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because we're moving to a four degree

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celsius Planet so with that said we

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probably will have more conversations

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about government and our people and

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talking and sharing all different types

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of information between American and

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Canadian governments so UFOs would for

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sure have to be one of them I would

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imagine so we need to we're jumped on

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the bandwagon now so it's good we

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started I think Canada's had a lot of

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information just because of NORAD I mean

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even in the Cold War Canada was a

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strategic position to make sure

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nothing's coming over the Arctic cap and

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you know so I think the Canadians have

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had that info but again you look at

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someone like Paul Hellyer the former

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Defense Minister and he gets called to

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go to this you know parent crash site

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and the Americans are already there

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cleaning it up so he's like hey I'm

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supposed to be the highest guy in the

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military how do I not even have access

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to this and how am I the last guy to

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know you know as far as rank so I think

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there is a partnership and again maybe

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that is something that's not advertised

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and again you look at the Nimitz video

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the guys land in the black helicopter

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with you know no uniforms take the

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footage and bugger off like who are

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those guys so maybe they exist in every

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country or maybe it's one group or who

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knows right I mean it's uh it gets

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strange when you start to try to think

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why but in terms of actual content I

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mean America has a lot of the

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information we absorb has come from an

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American Source but I think Canada has

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just as much information on the

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government level just because our

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strategic position and our vast size

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yeah we have a lot of data like we have

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a lot of data that's been collected

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because we've been able to and sending

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it to one person that has an interest in

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UFOs and is able to analyze it and come

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out with yearly reports like it's

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unbelievable yeah um and so the question

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next that I asked was are we going to

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have a UAP office some people in Canada

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want that and some people don't I think

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that we're probably going to move

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towards a UFO office a UAP office within

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Canada where we're sharing information

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with the states but the challenges is

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then does that become more classified

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because before in Canada you could get

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your hands on stuff like you actually

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could and you could talk about it and

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you had records of you know the RCMP

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going to crash sites like you had you

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would never get that in the States but

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you were getting it here and that's why

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that makes that data so important but if

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we do get a UFO office will it stop that

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in that free information flowing and

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that's a little bit of a worry I think

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for most yeah my my understanding is

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that the Canadian side of things is that

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they're going to

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focus more on the science of uaps as

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opposed to the States they're looking

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more of the threat narrative so you know

439
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everywhere that they look it's like you

440
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know we don't know what these things are

441
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it could be a threat they're you know

442
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invading our airspace and Waters and all

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that jazz

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but Canada is looking at it more like

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where are they coming from you know

446
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what's the science behind it so far

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there doesn't seem to be like you know I

448
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don't know if it's a Canadian way of

449
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looking at it and trying to be more

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polite with the subject but I find that

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the two countries have these different

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narratives uh that I don't know if one's

453
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going to affect the other but I really

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hope that they sort of mesh together and

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we don't look at it as a threat

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Narrative of just trying to more

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understand what the phenomenon is right

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uh as far as the Canadian side of things

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have you heard anything on a political

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Movement Like is this something that

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they're going to start talking about

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maybe more in

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their campaigns when they're campaigning

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maybe people started addressing the UAP

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phenomenon like do you think that's a

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possibility

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it could be but right now when two years

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ago when I heard the conservatives were

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looking into it I was like okay so I

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ended up doing a little sleuthing myself

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and was asking other people that I knew

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that were working with this particular

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politician and was seeing is he running

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for prime minister I was asking all

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these other questions and they're like

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why are you interested Chrissy and it

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was like oh you know the pr side of

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things is just more of a journalistic

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and personal interest so I got deep into

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people that were working aligned to this

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person and uh no it was just a very much

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of an interest and so I hear that with

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Larry McGuire too I haven't done too

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much sleuthing on my end to put Larry uh

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One Day More but I from what I've heard

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from other journalists that are working

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on the beat and just yeah and Chris

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rockowski in my interview that it really

489
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is just an interest but I hope they

490
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don't make it political it doesn't need

491
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to be political you know we look at the

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we can you have an example of bipartisan

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within the states and we can use that as

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well but to be honest right Canadians

495
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are very conservative and and the way

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that we do our media and the way that we

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even even as ourselves as a country

498
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we're more conservative in the way that

499
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we are not in political but in the way

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that we are we're talking about the

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subject so I think science for sure we

502
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look at the Dunlop Observatory and tons

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of other universities like U of T that

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will be able to do more research in this

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and or would be more interested in it so

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and they are they're talking about it

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I've heard you know I go to astronomy on

508
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Taps from the Dunlop observer in Toronto

509
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and they're talking about the you know

510
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potential of extraterrestrial life

511
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they're talking about not so much the

512
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physical objects of UFOs but they're

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open to have those discussions in larger

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forms in major events so we're seeing

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that there's interest and I think we'll

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go more science and I I personally don't

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think it's going to get too political

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also I don't we have a lot of people who

519
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like the subject in Canada and they fall

520
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and like you guys would know you get

521
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tons of Canadians that probably talk to

522
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you on social media but we don't have a

523
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lot that have a voice or in front of a

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camera or behind a microphone or

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anything like that or even in the media

526
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that want to come forward there's only a

527
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few so maybe when we get more of those

528
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people

529
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um or maybe have a little bit of a

530
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larger voice and maybe we will start

531
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,039
campaigning for more information too if

532
00:19:03,310 --> 00:19:01,919
needed but right now I just don't see it

533
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,320
being

534
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as a major Canadian issue right

535
00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:07,679
we already have to deal enough with our

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00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:08,760
own politics

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00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:11,160
I think it has to do with with your

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military mindedness you know the

539
00:19:16,909 --> 00:19:15,600
Americans are very military driven and I

540
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,919
think Stephen Greer said you know when

541
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,480
you're a hammer all you see your nails

542
00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:20,640
and Lou Elizondo and those guys are

543
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conditioned military-wise to always be

544
00:19:26,570 --> 00:19:24,780
paranoid always be on guard and that's

545
00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:26,580
you need that to survive in a battle

546
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:29,100
situation but in a day-to-day social

547
00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:31,919
interaction it's not always necessarily

548
00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:34,260
a threat and I think some of them have

549
00:19:38,029 --> 00:19:36,179
approached Canadian politics and try to

550
00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:38,039
solve the threat narrative and we're

551
00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:39,780
more like well hang on before we like

552
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,640
you know start drawing guns let's just

553
00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:43,919
see maybe it's something else let's look

554
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,380
at the science end of it so I don't see

555
00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:48,480
them cooperating as well as we may think

556
00:19:53,870 --> 00:19:50,760
just because they're somewhat different

557
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,880
and and the mainstream beliefs and uh to

558
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,679
your point about Larry McGuire we

559
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:58,080
reached out we had somebody from let's

560
00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:00,240
just say works in the intelligence world

561
00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:02,700
in the states and he wanted to have a

562
00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:05,100
four-way panel with a very influential

563
00:20:09,529 --> 00:20:07,260
person from the U.S an equally

564
00:20:12,169 --> 00:20:09,539
influential person from the UK a one

565
00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:12,179
from Australia and one from Canada and

566
00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:13,740
he reached out to us and said this thing

567
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:15,720
is set ready to go we just need Larry

568
00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:17,400
McGuire and we reached out told him what

569
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,100
we want to do mum's the word like don't

570
00:20:23,630 --> 00:20:22,080
want to talk about it don't want to go

571
00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:23,640
on record I mean he stood up in the

572
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,860
house of comments and said I suggest we

573
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,600
share what we have with the Americans

574
00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:29,760
and maybe he bit off more than he could

575
00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:31,380
chew or maybe it is just a personal

576
00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:32,940
interest and he doesn't really have the

577
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:34,260
right to speak on behalf of the

578
00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:37,740
government whatever reason I emailed his

579
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:39,900
official work which is like if I was in

580
00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:42,120
his writing you'd have to respond email

581
00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:44,280
him personally every social media

582
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,260
platform he was on didn't want to talk

583
00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:48,480
about it so I think there may still be

584
00:20:52,250 --> 00:20:50,520
some stigma and maybe there are some

585
00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:52,260
real ramifications about talking this

586
00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:54,780
stuff out of turn like if it's not your

587
00:20:58,490 --> 00:20:56,340
job to open your mouth you probably

588
00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:58,500
shouldn't open your mouth and so it was

589
00:21:01,070 --> 00:20:59,700
just interesting that that was the

590
00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:01,080
response that we got even on the

591
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:03,179
Canadian side well he probably doesn't

592
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:05,100
want to be have the look of

593
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,900
unfortunately what Paula Haller had you

594
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,820
know Paul was a great man like I spent

595
00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:10,799
some time with him you know and he

596
00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:12,600
really cared about the UFO topic but to

597
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:14,760
be honest he really cared more about

598
00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:16,380
um the concept of finance and what was

599
00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:17,640
kind of happening in the banking system

600
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:18,900
you know he wrote a book called money

601
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,840
Mafia uh so he had most people don't

602
00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:23,760
know that he had an interesting UFOs but

603
00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:25,020
he cared way more about the central

604
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,520
banking system

605
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,620
um and I respect that for him immensely

606
00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:30,720
but I think that's why Larry McGuire

607
00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:32,580
might not want to go down that road he's

608
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:34,260
saying we need to look at this we need

609
00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:36,179
to have a conversation nobody else is

610
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,620
he's interested in it but it probably

611
00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:39,600
doesn't want to affect his work and

612
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:42,120
right now there is no real other

613
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,740
Canadian conversations that are

614
00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:45,600
happening he's really the only one right

615
00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:48,120
now and our Minister of Defense but

616
00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:50,100
their mom's the word I would imagine

617
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:52,020
because I think they think that maybe

618
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,419
Canadians don't care as much too they're

619
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:56,159
like let's focus on other things let's

620
00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:57,840
talk about those instead of talking

621
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,880
about UFOs and here's the thing is

622
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,620
Canadian media does pick it up but they

623
00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:03,419
don't at the same same time there is

624
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:05,820
only yeah and I've had this conversation

625
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:07,980
with Chris again and we spoke and keep

626
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:09,900
referring back to him but he is like a

627
00:22:13,549 --> 00:22:11,940
Canadian psychopedia of Canadian UFO

628
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:13,559
sightings and events

629
00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:16,020
um he does a majority of all the press

630
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:17,880
in Canada right which makes sense

631
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:19,559
because he has a lot of data and he's

632
00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:20,760
been collecting it over the years and

633
00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:23,159
he's so knowledgeable but he says yeah

634
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,659
for sure they talk about it but it's

635
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:26,640
only when Americans talk about it and

636
00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:27,960
that's what I find really interesting

637
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,900
mine is Daniel Lotus but they won't

638
00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:33,360
media just won't go and you know write

639
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:35,580
about the topic in general it really has

640
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,780
to be something that happens in the

641
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,400
state you know States like for example

642
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:40,080
maybe this is something that we do now

643
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:42,659
as an experiment is we have the next a

644
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,100
report that might potentially come out

645
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,799
next month right unclassified report so

646
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:48,600
if that comes out we'll see two weeks

647
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,220
later that Canadian media will pick it

648
00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:51,840
up they won't pick it up right right

649
00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:53,400
away it will be someone that's on the

650
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:56,039
beat that will but outside of that it's

651
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:57,240
probably going to be two to three weeks

652
00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:58,380
later they'll pick it up and then

653
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:59,340
they'll talk about it just because

654
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:01,380
Americans are talking about it and then

655
00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:04,200
it will go away and you know I don't

656
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:05,400
know how I feel about that I feel like

657
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:06,840
we should have our own voice in the

658
00:23:12,529 --> 00:23:10,679
Canadian space or UFOs are part of the

659
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:12,539
new system no matter if anybody likes it

660
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,280
or not they influence the news system

661
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:15,840
right now and they're a facet and

662
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:17,640
they're a beat of it they really really

663
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,559
are you know we have more journalists in

664
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:21,360
the states and around the world that

665
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:23,640
actually cover the UFO beat like who

666
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:25,140
would have ever thought that it's insane

667
00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,299
so we don't have a lot of them in Canada

668
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,940
we need to start creating that so we can

669
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,679
have more conversation in our own space

670
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,080
politically but also then be able to

671
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,840
compare it and also we need to be able

672
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,760
to be ready because if we do go into the

673
00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:40,559
United Nations who's going to represent

674
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:42,659
us in a Canadian space right and who's

675
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:44,100
going to be able to talk about that and

676
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,539
we should be able to cover it and we

677
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,580
should be able educating journalists

678
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:49,679
about at least the basic history of it

679
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:51,720
and then how do we cover this moving

680
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,640
forward since 2017 because that's the

681
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:55,919
easiest thing to do for them

682
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:57,059
um here's some basic understanding

683
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:59,220
what's happened in the past here's the

684
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,600
Cole's notes obviously of what's

685
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:02,880
happened 2017 to date

686
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:04,140
um and now we can go start forwarding

687
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:05,940
having better conversations in Canadian

688
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:08,340
press I think it's population related

689
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:10,140
too right we're 30 million people so

690
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:12,419
whatever percentage of that is a UFO

691
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:14,760
buff is a much smaller smaller group

692
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,340
than in the U.S with 330 million people

693
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,440
or whatever it is and they have all

694
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,299
these documented cases and they've had

695
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:23,760
you know mainstream movies and shows so

696
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,500
they're way more indoctrinated down

697
00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:27,539
there to the possibility that this could

698
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,880
be so I think it gains more movement in

699
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:31,140
the states just because of the sheer

700
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:32,700
number of people

701
00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:34,380
um you know willing to talk or that have

702
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:36,539
spoken that kind of paved the way in

703
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:37,860
Canada we're still looking for somebody

704
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:40,559
to break that ground and and be the guy

705
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:43,140
right but again maybe Larry McGuire I

706
00:24:48,110 --> 00:24:46,260
mean he's a a counselor in the maritimes

707
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,120
it's not like he's the defense minister

708
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,760
or somebody with real Rank and maybe he

709
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,860
knows he he can't speak on behalf of the

710
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:54,480
whole country just because that's not

711
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:55,799
his job right

712
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,559
Canada needs its own Lu Elizondo yeah

713
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:01,200
exactly somebody what I'm saying yeah

714
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:05,340
yeah gee McGee from uh gee McGee from

715
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:08,039
from Ghibli Manitoba or something you

716
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:09,120
know

717
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:11,159
um but yeah we we need somebody like

718
00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:12,900
that we need somebody to step up and say

719
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,580
Hey you know on the Canadian side of

720
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:16,440
things we are experiencing this as well

721
00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:19,559
uh I know that even my work with mufon

722
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,900
and not that I've done much with them in

723
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:23,640
the past year

724
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:26,100
um but even my work with MoveOn uh I've

725
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,140
been impressed with how much activity is

726
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:30,240
even taking place in our own neck of the

727
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:31,140
woods

728
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:32,760
um you know that and that's just in BC

729
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,980
right British Columbia and there's so

730
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:36,480
much activity and I'm just thinking okay

731
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,659
this is just a tiny little spot in

732
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,580
Canada how much more is it taking place

733
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:44,480
uh you know across the country

734
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:47,460
so uh my guess is that there is an

735
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:48,779
interest here and like I mentioned

736
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,940
before I think I spoken to you about

737
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:52,980
this before Chrissy but uh I always have

738
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:56,940
people just randomly come up and say hey

739
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,460
I saw them once you know or just

740
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:01,320
you know this one time I saw this light

741
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,940
and it landed my like I didn't ask him

742
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,620
and they're just you know divulging this

743
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:06,179
information so I know that a lot of

744
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:07,980
people are experiencing these things in

745
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,140
this country but you're right as much as

746
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,419
we have open information about it I

747
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,760
think we have two coins officially like

748
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:17,400
the theory I know that Chris said

749
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,080
there's a third coming out now I don't

750
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,539
know five I think we have five there's

751
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,220
we have four and a fifth coming out or

752
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:25,080
we have five and a six coming out so I'm

753
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:26,279
like there's one coming out soon again

754
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,380
that's crazy yeah because there was uh

755
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,539
are they doing the um the red one that

756
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,120
was in uh Manitoba red Charlie or

757
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,299
something I think I want to hear why do

758
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:38,460
I want to thank Ottawa

759
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,980
why did I did I think it was Ottawa that

760
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:42,480
he said to me I can't remember but I

761
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:44,340
didn't collect those coins anyways if I

762
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:45,960
if I see them and I gotta collect them

763
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:47,880
phone up the mint and get your own set

764
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:50,820
yeah exactly maybe a uip studies one uh

765
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,100
you know get one an official one but uh

766
00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:55,799
yeah no I I think Canada has a lot of of

767
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,900
great cases but you're right our media

768
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,520
does not cover

769
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,380
um this subject well

770
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:03,120
and you're right they're always behind

771
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:04,500
the time they still remind me of like

772
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,080
one of those little coward dogs that is

773
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,880
with the pack but never really just

774
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,559
barks and never really attacks or

775
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:12,360
anything like that right just always

776
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,220
waits its turn and that's exactly what

777
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:16,380
the Canadian media is like it's just

778
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:18,360
it's afraid to touch the subject and

779
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:20,220
when you do touch the subject it's never

780
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,440
in a serious tone I always find it that

781
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:25,020
it's always on a lighter note tonight

782
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,659
how is it a lighter note this is the

783
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:29,700
most serious subject there is you know

784
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,980
in human history on a lighter note

785
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,960
tonight let's look at uaps that's not

786
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:35,880
light at all and I think it's their

787
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:38,520
phrasing and they're just afraid to

788
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:40,919
embrace the subject you know as much as

789
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,799
the states have yeah I did an interview

790
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:46,500
with I think it was Indy 88 here in

791
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:49,260
Toronto and Josie dye called me and was

792
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,820
like Hey or send me an email was like we

793
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:52,559
want to do an interview about UFOs and

794
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,020
this is when the the UAP report came out

795
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:56,960
the preliminary assessor report came out

796
00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:00,480
and I was like okay sure and so it calls

797
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,220
me and literally the first question is

798
00:28:05,710 --> 00:28:03,600
like tell me everything you know about

799
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:05,720
UFOs and I'm like

800
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:09,720
uh okay let's let's start somewhere else

801
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:13,320
yeah like you like what and that's the

802
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,860
prime example of being not being someone

803
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:19,080
in this space that's a media that has no

804
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,659
idea that that is a big question you

805
00:28:26,409 --> 00:28:23,039
know and I really said I was like that's

806
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,350
exactly so and they don't know that they

807
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:32,880
really don't know and that takes us and

808
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,860
I think for when this beat starts to

809
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:37,020
grow and it will even more you will get

810
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,460
other journalists you'll get younger

811
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:39,840
journalists you'll get people that are

812
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:41,640
asking better questions you know

813
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:44,039
unfortunately I feel how media will work

814
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:46,200
is that once the topic grows even more

815
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,640
and it really is embedded into

816
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:50,460
mainstream you'll get people from

817
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:52,679
different news outlets like MDC and you

818
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:54,299
know we get peacock for example like

819
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:56,100
they have a more of a news division

820
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,000
based on this and CBS let's say CBC CBS

821
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,919
is more interested in it

822
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:04,440
um obviously foxes CNN dabbles a little

823
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:05,220
bit

824
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:07,500
but we're seeing that that interest is

825
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:09,720
like is growing and I think that in the

826
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,460
Canadian side we'll have the same thing

827
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,159
and then they'll look and pick their own

828
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,500
journalists from their side to educate

829
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:18,000
rather than picking from people within

830
00:29:21,889 --> 00:29:20,279
the UAP Community unfortunately you know

831
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:21,899
because there are amazing people that do

832
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:23,700
amazing shows but that's not how the

833
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:25,260
system works there they usually want to

834
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,820
take their own they'll educate they'll

835
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,679
mold them based on what they feel that

836
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:30,659
their position is on the subject and

837
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,279
what their conversation is on the

838
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:34,200
subject and then go from there right

839
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,880
it's just easier to do and it's less

840
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,860
political too right especially when

841
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,419
you're a major news conglomerate that

842
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:42,179
already has a left or right uh decision

843
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,039
with what they believe in politically

844
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,980
right yeah where do you think um the

845
00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:48,720
disclosure will come like do you think

846
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,220
it's eventually going to trickle through

847
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:52,080
government or and I'll give you an

848
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,940
example like Caroline Corey films the

849
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:55,679
movie a tear in this guy they go out

850
00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:57,539
with high-tech instruments within two

851
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:59,340
days they're finding reigning Tic Tacs

852
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:01,620
and you know so their brains and their

853
00:30:05,149 --> 00:30:03,480
money's being spent on doing more of

854
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,159
that it's for the purpose of media but

855
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,200
either way it's still a private sector

856
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,360
Venture versus you know the government

857
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:11,520
and in the states black budget projects

858
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:14,039
and you could argue they're already have

859
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:15,480
done their research they know what it is

860
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:16,860
that's why they don't want to talk about

861
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:19,140
it but do you think that we're going to

862
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:20,700
get more information from private people

863
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:24,120
journalists scientists authors or is it

864
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:25,380
eventually going to all come out from

865
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,480
the government you know and the

866
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,340
implications that go with knowing this

867
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,679
for 70 years and not telling anybody

868
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:34,020
yeah I think the private sector for for

869
00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:35,940
years has done that and it will keep

870
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:37,640
doing that you know we have our own

871
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:40,440
counterculture that feeds itself we have

872
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,779
conventions we have podcasts we have

873
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:45,240
YouTube shows we have media Outlets you

874
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,860
know we look at fate magazine it's one

875
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:48,600
of the first ones that came out and was

876
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,220
talking about this subject so I think

877
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,380
we're going to have that will just stay

878
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,000
consistently and then we'll have the

879
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:55,919
mainstream media that will will speak to

880
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:57,539
it uh what was the first thing that you

881
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,740
asked me before that though oh

882
00:31:02,210 --> 00:31:00,360
disclosure yeah

883
00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:02,220
um yeah so here's my thoughts on

884
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,899
disclosure and this has changed over in

885
00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:05,039
the beginning it was just like you're

886
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,539
right we do need more exposure and I

887
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:07,919
still believe that obviously I still

888
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:10,260
fight and want transparency from all

889
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:11,520
different places and governments around

890
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:14,460
the world not just our own but I also

891
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,020
think that disclosure doesn't really

892
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,120
exist in my mind and the reason why I

893
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,299
say that is because every single time we

894
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,820
get to a point we don't know if we're in

895
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,440
disclosure or not and we still don't

896
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,120
know and technically I would say we kind

897
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:30,480
of are but are we and so I think that

898
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:32,520
every single time some thing happens you

899
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:35,159
know we find out that maybe it is like

900
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,779
Ultra terrestrial maybe we find out

901
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,399
whatever that theory might be is where

902
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,559
we get closer to it we're still going to

903
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:42,659
be fighting for transparency we will

904
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:44,580
always fight for transparency we always

905
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:46,200
have with the American and with any

906
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,940
governments around the world so

907
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,980
disclosure will never end and I don't

908
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,840
think it really exists because there is

909
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:53,640
no end to it because you're always going

910
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:55,080
to be asking questions and you're always

911
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,760
going to be wanting more and we will

912
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,559
never be some people will never be

913
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:00,419
sufficed with what they get some people

914
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:03,539
will but it will always be a question

915
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:05,940
once we answer one question a million

916
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:08,700
come a million more come so I just don't

917
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:11,640
think disclosure really is it doesn't

918
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,799
really exist in the context of of this

919
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:16,559
topic and many other topics too we

920
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,820
should be jumping up and down in the

921
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:19,500
streets I mean 30 years ago if you told

922
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:20,940
George Knapp the government is going to

923
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,580
officially release videos of a UFO he

924
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:24,960
would have gotten a way bigger charge

925
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:27,299
you know like that is the disclosure

926
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,919
movement or the moment that we've been

927
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,080
waiting for so I think I asked Philip

928
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:32,640
mantle that like why doesn't it feel

929
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,980
like it's happened that's a big deal and

930
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,299
it's just kind of like yeah here it is

931
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:39,000
now on to tomorrow's News why is nobody

932
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:41,220
jacked up about this so you know to your

933
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:43,320
point did it happen are we in the middle

934
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:44,940
of it is it coming it's hard to know

935
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,220
when you're in the video game where you

936
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:48,720
are in the level right like we don't

937
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:51,539
know what's coming next so it still

938
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,980
feels like there's a long way to go as

939
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,960
far as that I think has to do with the

940
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,760
population as well because let's face it

941
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:58,320
we live in the tech talk

942
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:00,779
era where you know attention span is

943
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:03,480
very very short this subject requires a

944
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,440
lot of reading and looking into it's a

945
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:09,360
lot faster than just you know a few

946
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:11,820
videos on on Tech talk and I think

947
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:14,039
that's is where I you know some people

948
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:15,480
are saying you know you have to be a

949
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:18,299
little bit more cerebral to be into uaps

950
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,740
I think somebody did was it you that

951
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,960
said that not too long ago yeah a friend

952
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,460
of mine said that to me Dan McClure

953
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,679
McLaren said to me he was like you need

954
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:27,480
to we went for for dinner in Toronto and

955
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,740
he was like you really have to be an

956
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,899
intellect to a degree to be in this and

957
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,399
it's not saying all of us are intellects

958
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:34,620
but you have to be interested in all

959
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:36,120
areas of study and you have to be

960
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:38,039
willing and open to you know start

961
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,779
reading physics and looking at quantum

962
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:41,820
physics and understanding it just if

963
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,860
it's propulsion systems all the way down

964
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:45,899
to like the politics of this along with

965
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:48,600
entertainment culture people you know

966
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,419
it's yeah it's like it's huge it's a

967
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:53,640
huge area of study Jonathan Young said

968
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:56,100
that right exopolitics it's the politics

969
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,140
associated with disclosure like what is

970
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:00,000
this this all mean you know that's a

971
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,820
whole study in itself yeah then you got

972
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,740
the social aspect of it like how are we

973
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,260
going to respond to it as a society you

974
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,320
know as a species uh it's it's quite is

975
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,359
just ramifications too

976
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:15,060
yeah exactly you know are people going

977
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,440
to lose their faith is there going to be

978
00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:18,300
more faith because of it like you know

979
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:20,099
there's a bunch of

980
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,740
it's gonna get weird let's just face it

981
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:24,480
as the years go by with this subject but

982
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,520
we're in the weird phase we've appeared

983
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,320
on a couple shows lately and it's it's

984
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:31,200
at the weird phase we've arrived times

985
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:33,480
are weird but yeah this is it hasn't

986
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:35,099
been normal for the last two years let's

987
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:37,859
just put it this way I agree with the

988
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:40,919
Whistleblower uh project or protected

989
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:43,740
um by the Congress uh do you think we're

990
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:45,419
going to get more whistleblowers are

991
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:47,220
going to come forward or is there still

992
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:49,500
going to be that either one stigma or

993
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,740
that fear of uh you know repercussions

994
00:34:56,170 --> 00:34:54,960
of losing people's careers you know

995
00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:56,180
reputations

996
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,540
uh you know Financial gains and all that

997
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,599
um do you think the Whistleblower aspect

998
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:05,280
of things for for Congress is that going

999
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:06,599
to pan out

1000
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:09,540
I think so I think that

1001
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:11,099
I think people are going to come forward

1002
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:13,079
they really do

1003
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,339
um the question is that the people are

1004
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:16,020
coming forward is what's your motivation

1005
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,359
you know from you know what what do you

1006
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,880
do you think that this is so I should

1007
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:22,079
say that and I'll preface this it

1008
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,880
doesn't mean this for everybody this

1009
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,500
only means for maybe potentially and

1010
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,300
we've seen this that people exploit this

1011
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:30,480
subject immensely so people will come in

1012
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:33,060
not understanding the mechanism of

1013
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:34,260
entertainment or understanding the

1014
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,119
recommend of a news the understanding

1015
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:38,339
the mechanism of PR and they come into

1016
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:40,260
the subject thinking that they will be a

1017
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:41,820
celebrity and they will make a lot of

1018
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,500
money on this when they realize that

1019
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:45,119
there's not and in this space of

1020
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:46,980
entertainment and I include news and all

1021
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,900
this in here the only people that make

1022
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,640
money are the people that are producing

1023
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:51,839
the pieces and the people that are

1024
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:54,060
Distributing it Talent or anything like

1025
00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:55,800
that if you consider we'll say Talent

1026
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:57,740
lightly or experts

1027
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:00,839
yeah um right they don't make any money

1028
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,240
it's just the way it is so a lot of

1029
00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:05,040
people I think some people come into

1030
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,500
this conversation thinking that okay you

1031
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:09,240
know I'm gonna make money off this and

1032
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:11,400
I'm gonna be some Messiah

1033
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:13,140
um you know and we'll still not gonna

1034
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:14,180
name names

1035
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:16,380
thinks that they might be a messiah

1036
00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:18,180
there's a few names out there yeah

1037
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:20,099
there's just a few floating around just

1038
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:21,119
a couple

1039
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:23,579
um so I see that and then they realize

1040
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,859
they're like oh no oh no no no no I'm

1041
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:27,359
not making any money I'm actually losing

1042
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,619
money what do I do now to keep

1043
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,440
propelling this so we see that a lot um

1044
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:33,420
so the question is is why are they

1045
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,180
coming forward what is their motivation

1046
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:38,880
to come forward is it for truth or is it

1047
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,460
to capitalize off the community and to

1048
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,619
become a name and to build that

1049
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:46,260
um there's nothing wrong to I will say

1050
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:48,420
as a PR person with something coming

1051
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,280
forward and getting notoriety for that

1052
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:52,500
there isn't and there is no problem

1053
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:55,500
making money into in certain degrees if

1054
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,420
you were not using and abusing people to

1055
00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:00,480
make money or lying to them to make

1056
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:02,220
money you know that's where I have

1057
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,920
issues myself but outside of that people

1058
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,420
do have to make money we have podcasts

1059
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,980
we have shows there's media Outlets

1060
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:09,119
there's all that kind of stuff people do

1061
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,619
make money you have to make a living and

1062
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,720
if you want to have to push this topic

1063
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,640
you're not going to make a lot of money

1064
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,740
and some people do but some people don't

1065
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,960
and you do it because you love it so the

1066
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,280
question is is what is your motivation

1067
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,380
coming forward like do you are you

1068
00:37:25,069 --> 00:37:24,119
looking for an answer yourself and a lot

1069
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:25,079
of people are because they're

1070
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,520
experiences of all doing different

1071
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:28,800
degrees and they also feel that this

1072
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,060
topic needs to be forward because

1073
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:31,980
they've had a hard time keeping it in

1074
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:34,020
internally their whole lives

1075
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:36,300
taught lots of people

1076
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,859
um and then we get the question is okay

1077
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:40,020
well who else you know what is your

1078
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:41,280
background you know are you a Richard

1079
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,099
Doty I call it doing a Dodie now are you

1080
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,020
doing a Dodie on us

1081
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,780
um so right and so I'm gonna assure this

1082
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:51,839
as doing the Dodie uh

1083
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,550
yeah Barto

1084
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,470
on Dodie though like were you lying

1085
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:02,160
before and now you're telling the truth

1086
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:04,260
or are you still lying or have you never

1087
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,420
told the truth like when you're in on

1088
00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:08,700
the record liar how do you get anyone to

1089
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,140
listen or believe anything you have to

1090
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:12,420
say ever again we've debated having him

1091
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:14,040
on the show and he was willing to come

1092
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,200
and we're like we're gonna get roasted

1093
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:17,760
man people are gonna say all that guy's

1094
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:19,740
a piece of and all the rest we just

1095
00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:21,180
want to give people a voice but

1096
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,579
sometimes I'd still like to have them on

1097
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:25,920
I I think it'd be fun to have them on

1098
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:28,200
and to you know find out first Corner

1099
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:29,940
them like what tell us everything We're

1100
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:31,380
not gonna let you off the show until you

1101
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:33,240
tell us all the Dirty Secrets right you

1102
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:37,140
play Bad Cops yeah 100 I'm like I'm

1103
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:38,220
actually really want to talk to him

1104
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:39,480
because I have a lot of different

1105
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,880
questions around that even to date now

1106
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,619
with Richard Doty I have a lot of

1107
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,660
interest when you start gaslighting

1108
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,300
people on a high level you know I have

1109
00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:50,160
some really questions about your own

1110
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:52,859
moral intentions too but

1111
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:55,740
um and how can you do that uh it's just

1112
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,619
it irks me that's a that's another topic

1113
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:00,480
and then the why now as well right

1114
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:02,940
Chrissy because it's like why why would

1115
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:05,160
he now tell the truth now that he's

1116
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,740
retired is it because he's allowed to or

1117
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:10,200
because he's still engaged in the

1118
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:11,820
disinformation or like you know there's

1119
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:15,440
so many questions now yeah

1120
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:17,940
he wouldn't be allowed to talk you know

1121
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:20,940
if he actually was that guy well it's

1122
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,480
also why to me it's very interesting and

1123
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,400
you have to like this and to me in a

1124
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:28,260
form of psychology

1125
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:30,060
um and I don't want to label him as a

1126
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:31,380
name because I don't think that's fair

1127
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,960
and I'm not a psychologist but my thing

1128
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:35,820
you

1129
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,640
their careers are on the line some go

1130
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,680
into menstrual institutions you know

1131
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:49,200
it's it's just you destroy their family

1132
00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:52,260
in their lives based on lies and you

1133
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:55,020
have the audacity to show up at UFO

1134
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:57,960
conventions to me that's sick to be

1135
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,359
honest and you have taken pleasure

1136
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:02,460
probably in doing that because why would

1137
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,220
you show up at UFO conventions if you

1138
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,980
were not didn't take pleasure in those

1139
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:11,040
things and you still do so to me I I

1140
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,780
have a

1141
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:14,640
you know it's that's to me that's

1142
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:16,740
actually scary like it's scary that

1143
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,359
someone could do that because if you

1144
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,400
hurt that many people why do you think

1145
00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:22,500
you could show up in front of all this

1146
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:25,560
entire community and be okay doing that

1147
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,180
you know you maybe feel that you've

1148
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,760
repented yourself I I don't even think

1149
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,260
you should show your face in that space

1150
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,540
personally but

1151
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:35,280
especially with all those things that

1152
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,780
he's lied to and all those people that

1153
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:38,640
affected so many of those families like

1154
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:40,020
could you imagine if that was your son

1155
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:42,599
or daughter and you ended up going to a

1156
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:43,800
convention because you were interested

1157
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,480
and you saw Richard Dodie walking around

1158
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,520
and you'd be like what did you do to my

1159
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,640
dad like just that to me I just I

1160
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,079
personally can't you know as a matter of

1161
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,680
Richard Jody podcast but you know but

1162
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,480
that's why I have a really hard time

1163
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:59,880
with what he did

1164
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:01,560
um and I think I always will and and we

1165
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:03,420
will always ask questions and I think we

1166
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:06,060
should no matter who the person is no

1167
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,859
matter where they come from no matter

1168
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:09,839
the background what is your motive why

1169
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,300
are you doing it why are you here

1170
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,119
um and you know and and yeah and we'll

1171
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,040
see as more people come forward and I

1172
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:18,960
think with the crash retrievals that

1173
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,579
potentially people are talking about now

1174
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,500
and that's being seated that more people

1175
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,720
will come forward with that

1176
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:26,160
um you know we're looking at more people

1177
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,960
within the government for sure we're

1178
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:29,280
gonna have but again what's your

1179
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,020
motivation and let's be honest

1180
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:32,880
misinformation campaigns can come out

1181
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:35,460
that way too too so I think we're always

1182
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,900
going to be asking and that's the

1183
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,160
unfortunate thing about this community

1184
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,680
and it's so sad because you're always

1185
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,140
questioning all the time it's so hard to

1186
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:46,079
just believe in your own what you've

1187
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:48,300
been told or feel that that's the truth

1188
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:50,220
because you're not always sure so you

1189
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:52,020
always have to keep learning to be

1190
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:54,260
critical in the way that you think too

1191
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,940
which is really important anyway I don't

1192
00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:58,800
you know anyway that's my thoughts

1193
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:00,359
there's a lot of fighting in our

1194
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,420
community that's a problem and you

1195
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,760
mentioned and you said very well that

1196
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:07,920
there's almost like a messiah complex

1197
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,380
that you know I will be the light that

1198
00:42:15,470 --> 00:42:13,079
will show you how this all works and

1199
00:42:16,569 --> 00:42:15,480
what it's all about and they charge a

1200
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,579
lot of money

1201
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:18,960
and you mentioned that people are in for

1202
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,940
the money we've unfortunately have run

1203
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:23,160
across that as well like when we reached

1204
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:24,480
out to some

1205
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:26,220
big names they're not going to name them

1206
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,140
but you know they wanted a very large

1207
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:30,420
sum of money for a very short amount of

1208
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:33,540
time and I just you know it blows my

1209
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:34,980
mind because I thought you know they'd

1210
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:36,660
want to share their information and this

1211
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,780
is about information sharing uh but it

1212
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,220
seems that there's some dollars to be

1213
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:44,000
made in this industry uh not podcasting

1214
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:46,619
for anybody that's curious but I don't

1215
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:48,900
think any of us here has made it very

1216
00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:52,500
much off of podcasting but uh it's it's

1217
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:55,260
a thing it's I like the Canadian side of

1218
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:56,940
things though I like that all of us

1219
00:43:02,750 --> 00:42:59,220
podcasters and you know so-called

1220
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:02,760
ufologists uh are Banning together and

1221
00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:04,440
we're helping each other out you've

1222
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:07,380
given us a lot of material and guests

1223
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,000
requests and stuff like that over the

1224
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:11,520
last two years so and we're very very

1225
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:13,260
thankful for that and again it's just

1226
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:14,160
that

1227
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,420
let's let's help each other out and I

1228
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,339
absolutely love that I think that's a

1229
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,440
great way

1230
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:25,140
to be as opposed to what I'm seeing on

1231
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:26,760
Twitter which is everybody's out for

1232
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:27,780
themselves

1233
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:29,339
right yeah I don't know if you're if

1234
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:30,900
you're a big fan of the Twitter rants

1235
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:33,780
but it seems like everybody in ufology

1236
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:36,540
is out to be you know Rocky you know I'm

1237
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:37,980
Gonna Knock everybody out and I'm gonna

1238
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:39,960
be the one that shows everybody the way

1239
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:41,099
but

1240
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,500
it's not the way this this side of the

1241
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,720
Border no and that's not how the science

1242
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,240
Community works too you get opposing

1243
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:50,400
countries first I should say thank you

1244
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:52,200
for acknowledging that too I'm like I

1245
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:55,079
try my best to to disseminate and do my

1246
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,260
job on that part but outside of that you

1247
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:00,240
know we look at the science Community uh

1248
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:01,740
when you're for example Chris Hadfield

1249
00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:03,660
has said this before when you have

1250
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,180
administrations that are at odds

1251
00:44:08,569 --> 00:44:07,200
politically you see that the science

1252
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:08,579
communities are still working together

1253
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:10,920
like we still talk to the Chinese we

1254
00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:12,060
still talk to Russian science

1255
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,220
communities and scientists and we

1256
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,920
exchange information still so we might

1257
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:18,660
not be doing it politically but we are

1258
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,940
doing it in that space so why you the

1259
00:44:25,069 --> 00:44:22,859
UFO topic needs to follow a suit and

1260
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:25,079
that that we need to realize that you

1261
00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:27,000
know not we have to be critical in how

1262
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:28,619
we think but not everything in the

1263
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:30,060
American government or not anything that

1264
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:32,040
all governments are giving us are going

1265
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:33,900
to be we have to make at odds and have

1266
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:36,300
to be like oh it's some kind of Scandal

1267
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:39,540
um you know my side and the pr stuff is

1268
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,700
the reason why I got into this topic in

1269
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,920
a Public Relation side is the debrief

1270
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,599
obviously when I became a partner with

1271
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,000
them it gave me the ability especially

1272
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,160
in UFOs to be able to help breaking

1273
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,079
stories and see those stories so to

1274
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,140
mainstream media and I have to be

1275
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,880
mindful too that I can still be

1276
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:58,800
blacklisted for media because of that

1277
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:01,079
American Media are way more friendlier

1278
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:02,819
on this topic than Canadian as we said

1279
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,440
but

1280
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:06,900
you know we my job is to disseminate

1281
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,940
that information and I've worked been

1282
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:10,800
lucky to work with Ariel and Jacques

1283
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,780
valet and some really wonderful and

1284
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,460
Christopher Mellon and some really

1285
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,680
wonderful people on the pr side with the

1286
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:18,960
debrief and not with the debrief

1287
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,520
um and be able to connect them with

1288
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,800
places like the hill or

1289
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,660
um put their articles or put their space

1290
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,359
or their thoughts about UFOs or just in

1291
00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:29,400
generally anything about the subject put

1292
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:31,319
it into mainstream media and that's

1293
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,700
really important to me and that's my

1294
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:35,400
goal you know for sure I can get paid as

1295
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:37,260
a publicist for that but that is my job

1296
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:39,000
that's what I do every day I run a

1297
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,099
business in Canada and I still do for

1298
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:42,900
the past 14 years in public relations

1299
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:46,319
with Canada and the states so I think

1300
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:48,599
that for me that is my contribution and

1301
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:50,040
giving people that have wonderful

1302
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:51,420
podcasts and are really great

1303
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:53,220
interviewers and are doing this and can

1304
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,500
ask really great questions is important

1305
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,119
to me too and give a good quality

1306
00:46:00,730 --> 00:45:59,280
interview so that when my client goes

1307
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:00,740
forward or when the subject goes forward

1308
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,300
that part that maybe mainstream doesn't

1309
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,160
pick up let's say if another podcast

1310
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,440
well but people are consuming it and

1311
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,119
buying their literature or buying things

1312
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:11,040
like that because they want to learn and

1313
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,900
then hopefully mainstream go picks it up

1314
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,300
as well too you know to be honest lots

1315
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:17,579
of mainstream media follows all of us in

1316
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,319
our beats because we are the most

1317
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:21,839
knowledgeable in the space to date in

1318
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,180
the UAP community and around the topic

1319
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,400
than just John the journalists so

1320
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:28,859
to me I just feel like I'm very lucky to

1321
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:30,660
be our PR person in this space and get

1322
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:32,220
to play with a lot of the key players

1323
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:35,400
and also get to learn who they are and

1324
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:38,099
spending time with them like that's a a

1325
00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:39,900
really big thing for me too is when I

1326
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:41,339
get to talk to them

1327
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,500
and get to get inside their head a

1328
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:46,200
little bit about this topic I get to see

1329
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:48,119
their motivation yeah you know and

1330
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:50,339
that's really cool because then I feel

1331
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,680
comforted to know that this person isn't

1332
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,000
lying to me

1333
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:57,060
um because as a PR person I am depending

1334
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:58,920
on a campaign or if I'm with them full

1335
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,380
time as their publicist I am their right

1336
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:04,260
hand woman so if they're lying to me you

1337
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:07,079
know I'm hopefully hopefully you know

1338
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,000
I'd be able to figure it out

1339
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,319
um and that's my job actually getting

1340
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:12,000
better at learning that and being able

1341
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:14,280
to to figure that out too but I had to

1342
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,720
feel if I'm getting sucked into some of

1343
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:18,060
misinformation campaign but I don't feel

1344
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:21,480
like I I am I feel like I've been I the

1345
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:22,920
people that I've worked with have

1346
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:24,839
actually been very sincere and they're

1347
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,940
doing their best and they're spending

1348
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,560
their own money trying to get this

1349
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,000
forward in their own time because

1350
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,680
they're generally interested and they

1351
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,319
really do love the topic so that's how I

1352
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:36,839
feel and and right now I haven't worked

1353
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:39,060
with anybody and if I ever do trust me

1354
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:40,560
I'd be one of the first people to tell

1355
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:42,540
you because just because I'm a publicist

1356
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:45,480
I have morals too and values yeah and

1357
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:46,740
that's what we get out of this show too

1358
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:48,060
is basically we went from being

1359
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:49,859
Enthusiast so now we're interviewing

1360
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,660
people on the front lines and we're

1361
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,640
getting that info first and greatest

1362
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,200
compliment was the first time another

1363
00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:58,079
blog copied a section of what they asked

1364
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:59,339
but they say hey can we use your

1365
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,780
interview with like George Knapp and

1366
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,640
Colin Kelleher because we had them say

1367
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:04,140
things on the record they'd never said

1368
00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:06,060
before you know they clarified the

1369
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,700
difference between ASAP and atip and

1370
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,980
where the money really went and so it

1371
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:13,380
was like a we've arrived you know we

1372
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,180
we're creating this media now we are

1373
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,520
part of it and I think podcasters in

1374
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,920
general have very good intentions right

1375
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:21,839
we're not over the money we're at a

1376
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:23,640
stage now we can monetize we've decided

1377
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,740
not to maybe one day that's the only way

1378
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:27,480
to sustain this moving forward is we

1379
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,700
have to because it's just become that

1380
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:31,980
full-time job but right now it's just a

1381
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:33,780
second full-time job we do it because we

1382
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:36,060
love it and my own personal opinion and

1383
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:37,800
the reason I agreed to come on the show

1384
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,560
was I know how hard it was to find good

1385
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,200
quality content it amongst the tsunami

1386
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:45,660
of nonsense out there so if I can be a

1387
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:47,220
small part of helping to generate that

1388
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,500
and a lot of our comments on YouTube or

1389
00:48:52,730 --> 00:48:51,480
hey finally a show where they're not

1390
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:52,740
full of themselves and they let their

1391
00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:54,540
guests talk and that's a big compliment

1392
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,099
and that's exactly what we're trying to

1393
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:58,079
do from our end and we know you're in

1394
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:59,400
the same boat as well maybe it's because

1395
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:01,319
we're Canadian maybe it's because we're

1396
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,060
just well spoken or we're we are

1397
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:05,339
intellectual but I think the rush of

1398
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,220
getting that information out is uh is

1399
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:10,140
worth more than the money would be for

1400
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:13,020
sure yeah I and you know to the point

1401
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,980
too the um what I love about this as

1402
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:19,440
well is that from the onset we decided

1403
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:20,460
let's

1404
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,880
have everybody that's everybody on right

1405
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,160
and get their knowledge but most

1406
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,380
importantly too is a female ufologists

1407
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,660
because I don't think there's a lot of

1408
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,359
focus on that in the current media they

1409
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:35,040
always Focus you know like the Statin

1410
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,839
Friedman's and well what about the

1411
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,880
Leslie Keynes and and you know the the

1412
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,520
Pioneers uh that have been in ufology

1413
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,619
and there's so many strong women that

1414
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:46,440
yourself included in this field that are

1415
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,020
doing amazing work and that is one of

1416
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:51,119
the main things too that we wanted an

1417
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:55,140
even distribution of you know exposure

1418
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,500
to every ufologist that we can find and

1419
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,200
you know that are really doing good work

1420
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,839
and your communication work like even we

1421
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:05,220
have Jacques valet coming up next

1422
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,099
episode that's thanks to you right and

1423
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:10,440
and your your your work so we are

1424
00:50:14,809 --> 00:50:13,020
totally appreciative of of everything

1425
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,819
that you've done for us on this podcast

1426
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:16,740
a lot of people don't know that but

1427
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:19,680
you've contributed a lot to our show and

1428
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,720
we're very appreciative of that for sure

1429
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:24,480
because uh it feels like you're a true

1430
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:27,060
friend of the podcast and we appreciate

1431
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:29,160
that for sure all right thanks guys I

1432
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:31,020
appreciate that I promised myself I

1433
00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:31,920
wouldn't cry

1434
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:39,230
we're all there for each other yeah I

1435
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:41,339
think the female side I hope there's

1436
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,079
there'll be more women I think they're

1437
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:44,640
coming I've been watching them slowly

1438
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,460
come in and I you know it really it's

1439
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:49,800
always been a very no offense it's very

1440
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,400
white man Rich topic really you know

1441
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:55,680
it's the rich that you know we're inter

1442
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,240
or in the beginning we're interested in

1443
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:59,280
this and could pay to learn more and

1444
00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:00,839
into research more and there were

1445
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,700
generally white rich men you know and

1446
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:04,319
that's what it is and it's slowly

1447
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,640
changing now we're seeing where women

1448
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,500
get involved and seeing more women in

1449
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,300
the community but I'm also really happy

1450
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,800
because most those women are like hey

1451
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:12,780
where are the other women here and so

1452
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,980
people will put up their hand and

1453
00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:15,359
they're like okay great and we follow

1454
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,099
each other and we talk it doesn't mean

1455
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:18,720
we all agree on the same opinions of

1456
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,579
what's going on but I respect them for

1457
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:22,079
being in the topic and contributing

1458
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:25,079
there's lots of women in the past too

1459
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,760
obviously Leslie I think is is

1460
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:28,619
unbelievable you know I don't always

1461
00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:29,940
believe in in some of the stuff that

1462
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:32,760
limbo and how but I she has contributed

1463
00:51:38,030 --> 00:51:36,359
oh my gosh so much information and so

1464
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,040
much research over the years I have so

1465
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,079
much respect for that you know I respect

1466
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,660
all of them that have and I think that

1467
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,880
we are there are more you know I'm

1468
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,680
starting my journey on this as much as

1469
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:49,200
possible in the past couple years but

1470
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,700
you know I look at them and I learn I

1471
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:52,680
learn maybe what to do differently and

1472
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:54,900
and what to do better and where can we

1473
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:56,760
contribute in our own space and there's

1474
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,680
a place for them and more women will

1475
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:00,599
come you know as it gets more mainstream

1476
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,760
I think for sure more women will be

1477
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:04,559
interested in it it's just in due time

1478
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:07,260
that's it yeah because I think you know

1479
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:09,900
I'm a huge uh believer in the abduction

1480
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,780
phenomenon and I know that that's whole

1481
00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:15,359
you know a lot of females are reported

1482
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:17,819
to be abducted probably more so than men

1483
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:20,760
and I I just want to hear that more from

1484
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,380
the the female side of things right

1485
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:24,960
because we do have some research but I'd

1486
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:26,760
be be interested in hearing more females

1487
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:29,700
come forward and in ufology and also as

1488
00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:32,880
Witnesses or experiencers uh just to you

1489
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:34,619
know come forward and say hey this has

1490
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:37,140
happened to me as well we got guys like

1491
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:39,960
uh Jim semivan that came on and during

1492
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,140
his time at the CIA while he was a spy

1493
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,480
for crying out loud he had an experience

1494
00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:47,280
with his wife at home where there's like

1495
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:49,559
three little entities come into his room

1496
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:52,980
like while he's working for the CIA he's

1497
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:54,660
having experiences that he's now coming

1498
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,380
forward about that now and that is equal

1499
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,480
to what's happening to females across

1500
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:02,160
the world as well they work in the you

1501
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:03,000
know

1502
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:05,339
the Department of Defense as well so

1503
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,980
there's experiencers everywhere and like

1504
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:10,559
I said it's just great to see uh female

1505
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,140
ufologists if we can say ufologists I

1506
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:15,359
use it lately but it's just yeah it's

1507
00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:17,700
it's you know we're usually something

1508
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:20,099
ends in just your uh uh you know

1509
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,960
certified you went to school or

1510
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:24,059
something like that right but we use it

1511
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:27,240
as if we're professional uh ufologists

1512
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:29,640
it's just a Loosely termed kids we we're

1513
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:31,740
not really Pathologists we're just

1514
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,059
enthusiasts

1515
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,760
um but yeah no I I really do appreciate

1516
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:37,920
you coming on the show today and and

1517
00:53:42,049 --> 00:53:40,140
talking to us about this and this

1518
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,059
phenomenon and I hope you come back on

1519
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:44,819
again we're thinking about doing a panel

1520
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,500
in the future it would be nice to have

1521
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,380
that uh have maybe you and Brian on as

1522
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,839
well and uh it'd be great to have you

1523
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:54,000
guys back on for sure yeah I'd love that

1524
00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:56,040
if you do a Canadian panel too and Larry

1525
00:54:00,829 --> 00:53:59,099
McGuire is in there I'm in that's good

1526
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,839
reach out to him again we'll see if we

1527
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:03,359
can do it a second time here yeah well

1528
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:04,920
this time we'll probably send them a

1529
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,420
video invite which a little bit more

1530
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,180
personable maybe a random on a personal

1531
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,040
level we know where your family is we

1532
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:13,200
have pictures yeah we wear masks and

1533
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:16,980
everything 11 A.M you wrote two studies

1534
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:23,390
awesome and that's what you guys did to

1535
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:25,380
me

1536
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,420
exactly now you're free you're free to

1537
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,400
go uh where can people find you online

1538
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:32,400
Chrissy yeah um well first they could go

1539
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,960
if they want to read more about UAP

1540
00:54:39,069 --> 00:54:36,960
science defense technology futurism all

1541
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,079
that wonderful stuff they can go to

1542
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,460
debrief.org that's where everyone

1543
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:43,740
contributes there's also the new section

1544
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,420
there in video news and that will take

1545
00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:47,520
you to my YouTube channel

1546
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:49,079
um my show on the debrief channel is

1547
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:50,760
called rebelliously curious with Chrissy

1548
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,859
Newton and it's also on all streaming

1549
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:55,040
platforms now finally

1550
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:58,380
so you can go anywhere from Spotify to

1551
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,260
iTunes to find that or apple podcast I

1552
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:03,660
should say and then I'm also just yeah I

1553
00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:04,920
have a friend and I are relaunching all

1554
00:55:08,809 --> 00:55:07,319
pop repeat which is a it's about counter

1555
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,819
how counterculture turns into pop

1556
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:11,040
culture we do talk about UFOs and we do

1557
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,599
have two UFO

1558
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,359
um uh episodes in there one with Dave

1559
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,760
Foley and one with Jeremy Corbell so

1560
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:19,859
people go check that out but mainly

1561
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,540
everyone can check my workout the

1562
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,000
debrief uh Twitter is at Chrissy Newton

1563
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,400
and Instagram is being Chrissy Newton

1564
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,319
and that they're all those are all the

1565
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:30,420
wonderful places you can find me perfect

1566
00:55:33,049 --> 00:55:31,559
and Louie do you have any final

1567
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,059
questions for a guest today no I just

1568
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,280
want to again extend a warm thanks again

1569
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,720
for all your help and support over the

1570
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:38,579
years and just for being a good person

1571
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,920
who has the right motivation behind this

1572
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,960
uh if it wasn't for movements like

1573
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,940
yourself particularly women and that

1574
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:46,920
type of thing this wouldn't really have

1575
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,780
the steam that it's now carrying so

1576
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,700
you're blazing the trail keep doing it

1577
00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:52,980
we appreciate it and thanks again for

1578
00:56:01,230 --> 00:55:55,020
being on the show awesome thanks guys